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Also interesting is that a few days ago on Yahoo, there was an article stating that white supremacists were a greater threat to the US than Islamic terrorists.   The article was poorly researched, poorly written, and editorialized instead of objectively presenting facts.   Now, I do not have any positive regard for white supremacists, but never did they kill nearly 3,000 Americans in a single day.  Nor are they likely to acquire and use nuclear weapons.   White supremacists are not very savory, but they don't even come close to Islamic terrorists for the number of people killed and injured.

 

There was also an article about the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) designating every group that disagreed with it as a "hate group."   The Family Research Council was the latest to be added to its list of hate groups.

 

There are many things and people with which I disagree, but it's a far cry to label them as "hate groups" or "haters."   In Canada, if you criticize any particular group--and I mean just criticize--you will be hauled in front of a human rights tribunal on charges of "hate speech."   This is political correctness run amok.  

 

Once you start putting restrictions on freedom of speech, you no longer have freedom of speech.

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I am quite certain that the US did not plan 9/11; nor did it plan Pearl Harbor.   In both instances, we were caught off guard.  Al Qaeda simply used our own culture against us.   By 9/11, airports and aircraft were already "gun free zones," which means that law abiding people could not have their guns with them, even if they had concealed weapons permits.   So some mangy terrorists were able to use box cutters to cow entire planeloads of people--except for Flight 93 over Pennsylvania.   Even the FAA regulations told airline personnel to never try to subdue a hijacker, because "he might have a confederate" somewhere among the passengers.   We now see that advice is patently wrong.   Do you think El Al (Israeli) airlines would ever have such a policy?

 

We had been taught to comply with hijackers' demands.   That worked with ideologues who wanted a ride to Castro's Cuba.   It did not work with Islamic terrorists, who sorted out the Jews and US military on aircraft and summarily executed them.  

 

And the twin towers?   Remember, there were tons of burning jet fuel heating up the steel girders and weakening them.   The buildings had already taken huge structural damage.   What is amazing is how long the towers stood, not that they fell down.   If there was a plot within the US government to have the twin towers felled, why not let it happen when the first Islamic terrorist group tried to blow them up in 1996?  

 

It is perhaps easier to believe in a vast conspiracy theory than to accept that our intelligence agencies were caught flat-footed, with their pants down.

 

I would actually be in favor of every airline passenger being issued a truncheon.   Anyone attempting to hijack an airplane would be beaten to a bloody pulp by scores of passengers.    And if a few obnoxious passengers spent the biggest part of their flight unconscious . . . oh, well!

You are under trauma based mind control.

 

You would actually have to study this to see past the smoke and mirrors. It is like a magic trick. Like a magic trick though it was done out in the open so if you understand that it is the truth you are looking for and ignore the narrative the government has ascribed to the events then you will see past it. 

 

I can not convince you in a few sentences. I would say though it is really important as a Christian. Every nation that participated in the war after has blood guilt on their hands and God will not let that go. So please study it and be informed with the truth. Watch that video for a start. It took me two years of careful investigation before making the change of mind. I do not say these things lightly. 

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This topic is quickly turning into more than a debate on a topic. Remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and opinions are going to differ. Don't make this personal :)

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I respect everyone's opinion, even if I disagree with it.   It is important for us to not vilify or demonize those who hold different opinions, because when it gets "personal" we lose sight of the issues completely!

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I respect everyone's opinion, even if I disagree with it.   It is important for us to not vilify or demonize those who hold different opinions, because when it gets "personal" we lose sight of the issues completely!

Agreed. I just wish more people would study it. 

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We had been taught to comply with hijackers' demands -etc.

. . .I'm just at a loss for words, considering your intelligence, your beliefs of faith and the tinfoil hat you climb into quite often.  You describe airline policy, based on federal guidelines which in effect, tie the hands of airline employees, and surrender the general public to terrorists -

We now see that advice is patently wrong.  

Okay, ->BUT<-

I am quite certain that the US did not plan 9/11 -

:o. . . . :o . . . . :o . . . . 

Do you think El Al (Israeli) airlines would ever have such a policy?

:huh: - Not applicable with regard to Western policy.

 

It is perhaps easier to believe in a vast conspiracy theory than to accept that our intelligence agencies were caught flat-footed, with their pants down.

Oh, you mean agencies like the FBI and CIA that access and implement the greatest, most advanced monitoring systems on earth AND deploy pre-emptive military counter-strikes through the department of defense?  I have a hard time believing the heads of these bureaus (and just who do these guys turn out to be), were listening to Katie Perry and masturbating to internet porn that day.  I'm not buying it.  A conspiracy does not have to be a theory nor does it have to be 'vast.'  Those words, IMO, are often use to minimalize a likely truth than what is generated from the propaganda of media.  You know as well as I do the meaning of "compartmentalization."  It keeps the worker bees dumb - honestly - for good reason. . .   ->BUT<-

- there were tons of burning jet fuel heating up the steel girders and weakening them.

I am more blown away that you subscribe and forward a typical, subpar propaganda - it wasn't even good deception.  Honestly, Sherlock, this should be beneath your intelligence.

 

The buildings had already taken huge structural damage.   What is amazing is how long the towers stood, not that they fell down.   If there was a plot within the US government to have the twin towers felled, why not let it happen when the first Islamic terrorist group tried to blow them up in 1996?

If the structural damage you refer to was the result of the 1996 explosion in the TT basement parking lot, then you severely underestimate the foundation structure those mountains were sitting on.  That incident amounted to no more than standing on a lit firecracker.  It didn't move the buildings anymore than it moved the people.  It was a failed attempt but a successful litmus test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N7IjV9XxiY

I would actually be in favor of every airline passenger being issued a truncheon.   Anyone attempting to hijack an airplane would be beaten to a bloody pulp by scores of passengers.    And if a few obnoxious passengers spent the biggest part of their flight unconscious . . . oh, well!

In the end, you land quite well and I suppose that's what counts, however, your route of means-to-the-ends, in this instance is just. . .ugh - it's rough riding, friend - and that's coming from me.

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Wow...

Let conspiracy theorists unite! I remember losing a homecoming game when I was in highschool. Always thought the secret service was quietly sniping my teammates with untraceable tranquilizers...

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Are these your thoughts? (or from the report?) 

But what to teach them? We all need a foundation world view. In the West it has been shaped into scientism with the philosophical commitment to materialism which has lead many people away from the truth that life is designed. So we have educated people into a false reality. Beating the divinity out of them with the stick of scientism. Not sure that is much of an alternative. 

 

Teach them to be liberal? There are a lot of people who see liberalism as a mental sickness. 

 

Promoting globalism is just a bad idea. 

 

Sorry that's my wording. I mean promoting education, globally. Doesn't have to be a universal curriculum, but certain aspects like mathematics, reading comprehension etc.

Regarding 'emancipative', its an adjective for the root verb: emancipate.

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To everyone else who want to discuss conspiracy theories and 9/11. Could they please start a new thread somewhere more appropriate?

We're heading well off topic.

 I'm sorry for reflecting on the topics that directly shape the American view of Islam. May your case for compassion prevail.

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 I'm sorry for reflecting on the topics that directly shape the American view of Islam. May your case for compassion prevail.

9/11 is fine. Conspiracy forensics and epistemology are not.

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 I'm sorry for reflecting on the topics that directly shape the American view of Islam. May your case for compassion prevail.

9/11 is fine. Conspiracy forensics and epistemology are not.

As of 11-13-2015 PST, over 150 people were killed by terrorists in France. CBS is comparing the loss of lives to those lost in France since WW2.  Well, considering the reality of history regarding WW2, France isn't a smoldering pile of rubble.  In a country that was predominantly Catholic, the primary religion there has become Islamic.  No alternate view of 911?  Okay, I'm comfortable with that.  I intended to draw eyes away from Islamic extremist as being responsible and offer something that is more likely true than the official story - I don't stand alone, but, okay.  I hope Islam is as comfortable with the UN stepping up their peace keeping forces, as most people are with swallowing every official story that the news agencies cover. . . .  Can't say I didn't try, but, I am always happy to give people what they want.

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In the light of recent events and discussions I think the whole thing revolves around one word. The word 'innocent'. I've seen so many quotes from the qu'ran that states muslims do not hurt the innocent. And others that say kill the infidel. If you look at the exact quotes, (I cant remember which ones they are) but its obvious that these terrorists see everyone who doesnt not practice the faith, or even a different version of it, are not innocent and should be eradicated. 

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My belief is this:   when any nation is attacked by an evil aggressor, it should be considered an attack upon all of us.   Otherwise, we will be conquered and enslaved piecemeal.

 

And if anything meets the definition of an evil aggressor, it's ISIS.

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